The long night of nationalism is over
How can the Greeks be blamed for turning to hard-core anti-immigrant parties? They have not been given any other choice besides national suicide:
Reeling from a vicious financial crisis that has cost them pensions and jobs, Greeks have been turning away in droves from the mainstream politicians they feel have let them down. Another political force is trying to tap the void, with blunt promises to "clean up" the country....Given that the mainstream parties have sold them out to foreign banks on the one hand and African immigrants on the other, then installed an non-democratic government, Golden Dawn is now the only option left for the Greek electorate. And if the ruling mainstream parties respond by attempting to violate Greek self-determination, they'll be responsible for the violence that will inevitably ensue. What we're seeing here is that democracy has always been a means to the mainstream rather than an end in itself. Make no mistake, that applies to the USA every bit as much as it does to the Greeks, the only difference is that since there is no American nation, Americans have tolerated a much larger immigrant invasion, in proportional terms, than the Greeks are willing to accept.
Black-clad Golden Dawn members have been storming across the campaign trail across Greece, stopping to chat at cafes and shops, handing out fliers promising security in crime-ridden neighborhoods - and vowing to kick out immigrants. Greece's borders, they say, must be sealed with land mines to stop illegal crossing into a country that became the entry point for 90 percent of the European Union's illegal migrants. Authorities estimate there are about 1 million migrants living in this country of 11 million. Appealing to populist sentiment, Golden Dawn has been gathering donations of food and clothing to deliver to the needy while pledging to make politicians accountable for the crisis. Ordinary Greeks are struggling under tough conditions demanded for rescue loan deals that have pushed the country into a fifth year of recession.
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In the back, T-shirts and caps are for sale marked with the party logo, taken from the ancient Greek meander, a motif resembling the swastika
meander art
There's a million Negros in a population of 11 million? Rapes, murders, and robberies must be at astronomical levels.
- Red
Meanwhile the EU is funding Greek "Closed Hospitality Centers" to forcibly keep illegal immigrants in.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/29/greece-detention-centres-migrants
I once had the pleasure of seeing Africans in Athens. They were running away like mad. A few seconds later I saw the police. You do the math.
In the back, T-shirts and caps are for sale marked with the party logo, taken from the ancient Greek meander, a motif resembling the swastika and often seen on ancient mosaics, carvings and wall paintings.
That is bull. Trying to link the meander with the swastika is propaganda to make these guys look evil.
Will it end in goose stepping and stiff arm salutes? That is the question.
Interesting choice of fashion, black. It bespeaks the old-school iconoclasm: deliberately destroying images of religious or political significance.
It's often typified by INTJs and INFJs, who prefer to wear as much plain, black clothing as they can get away with. (But wearing all black draws too much attention.)
Mr. Nightstick,
Actually, iconoclasts are too unruly to organize into large groups. They prefer small, tight-knit gangs.
If you want to organize a really efficient holocaust, it's the boring ISTJs and ISFJs you want on your side. The only trouble is convincing them it's normal, and after that they'll run with it.
The writer just HADto get a Nazi/Swastika reference in there...
I hope the US gets nationalist political parties with cool names like Golden Dawn too. A3P just sounds lame.
American politics and American history has always been regional and remains so.
Support for Open Borders has been confined thus far to those parts of the country relatively unaffected by the Latino invasion (such as the blue states in the North and Northeast) OR those border states where the invasion has been complete (such as New Mexico and California).
The resistance to amnesty for illegal aliens is a fight that has been carried by Arizona, Texas, Oklahoma.....east to the Atlantic coast. Look at the votes in Congress the past ten years on the subject of amnesty.....much of the opposing votes come from the Southern states. Yes, it is worth fighting over. Yes, we can.
re-allow..."I hope the US gets nationalist political parties with cool names like Golden Dawn too. A3P just sounds lame."
The USA will not get a nationalist political party. (The Tea party is about as close as you will get.) But we might get some very zealous regional parties, that are otherwise nationalistic.....like the Confederate Party or the Southern Nationalist Party. The tender is dry enough. All we need is a spark.
and snappy uniforms
the united states isn't a nation, so it's impossible to have nationalist parties here.
nations within the united states, like the south, could very well have nationalist parties.
"In the back, T-shirts and caps are for sale marked with the party logo, taken from the ancient Greek meander, a motif resembling the swastika and often seen on ancient mosaics, carvings and wall paintings.
That is bull. Trying to link the meander with the swastika is propaganda to make these guys look evil."
But don't you see??? The 90% angles in each are obviously 90%. Much like that other sinister symbol has: the cross.
Even the Greeks recognize there is a need for change in leadership as the rain comes down in buckets and the rulers tell them it is dry and sunny. If they can't get an ostensibly sane person to tell them it is raining, even a supposedly mad man will look more rational.
America I think like most other colonial outposts was doomed to begin with you cannot just "create" a nation at a congressional convention colonial outposts are just that outposts of a nation whose only real differences are due to geography i read a good article about the contradiction of american conservatisim that since american was founded liberalism what can you really be conserving but liberal ideas?
1 million illegals in 11 million residents?
How the fuck does the state claim to provide law when it calls it legal to be an illegal, and is on its way to making it illegal to legally want to deport the illegals?
Once a state protects a criminal against the lawful citizen, what can the citizen say except that the state is in an act of treason?
But this is good. Such reports are showing the undecided minded who is who, and who is claiming to be for their benefit (using right means, or wrong means, unknown of yet) and who definitely is against their benefit (using all means possible).
And it is not the seagulls in Athens who are against the Greeks; they possibly are ending on the counters of vibrant food shops.
"America I think like most other colonial outposts was doomed to begin with you cannot just "create" a nation at a congressional convention colonial outposts are just that outposts of a nation whose only real differences are due to geography i read a good article about the contradiction of american conservatisim that since american was founded liberalism what can you really be conserving but liberal ideas?"
Two issues with this. Colonies formed from break away factions based on religion and or political points can differ from their homeland in many aspects. It took the English less than a decade to return to a monarchist government from a doomed attempt at a republic (the Protectorate). The USA at least took a few decades and has done its best to disguise the rise of the oligarchy for a couple of centuries.
Another problem is the meaning of the word liberal has been corrupted. Around the founding it meant having the least imposed restraints by government. Now it has been twisted into being liberal or free-wheeling with the wealth generated by others. This new meaning requires more governmental control and restraint to achieve this. Basically the opposite of the original meaning.
Yes I realize that nations can separate I was just saying most colonial outposts usually don't for instance crusader states and colonialist attempts in africa and asia. I'm also aware that the word liberalism has been corrupted by leftists but even the classical liberals though they had many good idea's were not entirely good from a national/religious there was alot of ways they could be misused
The interesting thing (in the Chinese definition) will be how individual states respond to the upcoming unpleasantness. Even a 90% population of non-Canadiens in Minnesota might be defeated by inner Minneapolis/"New Somalia". Yet a state like Alabama with 70% non-Canadiens, armed with an average 3 rifles and 2 handguns per home, might be just fine.
Born in the 60's and coming of age in 80's, I was always told that democracy was what made America special (even though we are only a democratic republic and not a true democracy). i could see how this may have been ideal when only men and/or land-owners were allowed to vote, but it hasn't been that way for a long time. I'd be curious to see if a society would thrive under the old-school version of our republic. On the other hand, a righteous, or even minimally corrupt monarchy would be preferable to me today versus our hopelessly corrupt government and all it's w2 unionized bureaucrats. Tocqueville was truly a prophet.
So, just out of curiosity, what is your favored alternative to democracy? I'm certainly not enamored with popular democracy, and republican democracy didn't last very long. But it seems to me we have the worst form of government there is, except for all the others. I cringe at the idea of a king or dictator or Roman triumvirate or anything else that comes to mind.
> what is your favored alternative to democracy? I'm certainly not enamored with popular democracy
How about a constitutional republic? I've heard rumors that it's been known to work fairly well, at least for a while.
Hey, NicholasHoltman, I don't own one single, solitary piece of black clothing, and I'm as INTJ as they come. So forget about that.
Personally, it wouldn't bother me at all if Golden Dawn were to set up a row of crucifixes from the Acropolis to Salamis, and hung a Greek politician on each and every one: "Pour Encourager les Autres".
"How about a constitutional republic? I've heard rumors that it's been known to work fairly well, at least for a while."
It only works with a Christian culture where the citizens have self-restraint.
rienzi...."Personally, it wouldn't bother me at all if Golden Dawn were to set up a row of crucifixes from the Acropolis to Salamis, and hung a Greek politician on each and every one: "Pour Encourager les Autres".
My personal favorite would be a sign quoting John Wilkes Booth, after he shot Lincoln...."Sic semper tyrannis", which is the Virginia state motto..."Thus always to tyrants".
RobertT...."So, just out of curiosity, what is your favored alternative to democracy? I'm certainly not enamored with popular democracy, and republican democracy didn't last very long."
This country was never a democracy and was never intended to be a democracy and was not a democracy before the Revolution nor was democracy the reason for the revolt. In the same way, this society was never egalitarian, nor should it ever be.
But to answer your question, I still prefer a republic of laws........ to rule by the whims of an elite, or the passions of the mob in the streets, or the tyranny of the majority, or the wealthy, or the jesuits, or black robes of jurists or the liberal control freaks.
RobertT..."But it seems to me we have the worst form of government there is, except for all the others."
Yes, it pleases me to see yet another Winston Churchill quote, even when he does not get the credit. He being half American, we can all claim him as our own.
How about a constitutional republic? I've heard rumors that it's been known to work fairly well, at least for a while.
It only works with a Christian culture where the citizens have self-restraint.
With such citizens would not any government succeed?
"How about a constitutional republic? I've heard rumors that it's been known to work fairly well, at least for a while."
Papapete..."It only works with a Christian culture where the citizens have self-restraint."
Putting the bar kinda high? Not really that difficult. The USA was originally a constitutional republic. Many people believe it still is. If they find out otherwise, it may be a constitutional republic again by morning.
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I hope the US gets nationalist political parties with cool names like Golden Dawn too. A3P just sounds lame.
American Third Position is lame sounding... sounds like a new way for Americans to get screwed by the government.
CasaPound in Italy even makes the gay sea turtle look cool.
If the US is going to get any cool nationalist political parties they at least need to use the Chi Rho monogram.
Some revamped "Dont Tread on Me" snake inside a diamond shape would be cool too.
11B Wrote: "In the back, T-shirts and caps are for sale marked with the party logo, taken from the ancient Greek meander, a motif resembling the swastika and often seen on ancient mosaics, carvings and wall paintings.
That is bull. Trying to link the meander with the swastika is propaganda to make these guys look evil."
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I agree, I never trust any statement like that unless there is an accompanying image and I can judge for myself.
That said... these guys sound like bad news to me.
Golden Dawn? Really?
Someone has to be kidding.
Soon they'll come out and admit they're an "Order" too.
Golden Dawn? Really?
Someone has to be kidding.
Soon they'll come out and admit they're an "Order" too.
It sounds much cooler in Greek. I'll know they are on the right track when they start stuffing all the mud people onto leaky boats with a hearty "Kale taxidis" while pushing them out to sea. I also like the earlier suggestion of a line of tall crosses at the Acropolis for hanging all the traitors.
Hey, NicholasHoltman, I don't own one single, solitary piece of black clothing, and I'm as INTJ as they come. So forget about that.
Google correlation. You might learn something.
Or read more carefully.
Polite society would do well to take this opportunity to engage the nationalists now, while they are still in the mood to talk, and try to start a dialog. I do not actually expect that to happen, but they should consider it fair warning and it does give me the ability to say "I told you so" later. Of course, we all know that polite society openly despises the nationalists and has been very successful in the past in the game of ridicule and scorn, tarbrushing, and parody. But over the years, this wears thin and the audience begins to notice that the magic no longer works. The polite society, after all, have the most to lose and the least to gain when the talking stops. Why not talk to the nationalists? Polite society panders to everyone else already. Just imagine the nationalists as a minority group that may quickly become the armed majority in this country.
(By polite society, I mean the politically correct, middle class, arrogant, elite that constitutes the Liberal media, their pet political class and their celeb financial backers in Hollywood and Wall Street.)
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